Iran is backed by China does that tie the US's hands?

The United States has threatened swift action on sanctions after Aug. 31 if Iran does not heed the UN demand. But Russia and China, both major trading partners with Iran, have been unwilling to impose sanctions and could frustrate such a move in the Security Council.In the first seven months of 2006, Chinese trade with Iran reached $7.9 billion, a jump of 43.9 percent on the same period last year, driven by rising Iranian oil exports, according to Chinese Customs statistics.








Russia singed a billion dollar contract Dec 05 to ugrade the Iranian militrary - will the US have to back down or face China and Russia?

Iran is backed by China does that tie the US's hands?
Well now you KNOW what is going to trigger WW3
Reply:Cool ! - Hey, let's elect some MORE really stupid, dishonest, and disrepectful R. politicians to get this party (WW3) really started, yeah !


%26amp; make sure they are mostly fat white wealthy males who have sold their souls a long time ago...





there, I said it.
Reply:Bush won't get a security council mandate to go into Iran. If he does try to move unilaterally he can't do that without going to congress and there is no way that they will approve military action in Iran even with republican control. Not before the mid-term election.
Reply:I remember a statement in a Chinese newspaper after the U.S. invaded Iraq. "If the United States thinks this is going to be the New American Century, they are wrong".





After 9-11, the U.S. pulled out of Saudi Arabia, home to 15 of the 19 hijackers. The U.S. obviously felt the need to establish a presence elsewhere in the middle east to watch over their strategic interests. China has strategic interests in the middle east as well.





Will the U.S. fight a war with China in the middle east? Will Iranians and Iraqis align themselves with China instead of the United States?


Is Iran merely inserting itself between the U.S. and China as way to gain leverage?


If the hand's of the U.S. were tied by China, I would imagine that would put the U.S. in a much more difficult and desperate position. That could lead to a serious confrontation.


Otherwise China may need to prop up the U.S. economy to prevent the collapse of its largest trading partner. They may not do that. We may have to sell them U.S. assets on the cheap. (ports, oil cos., airlines, ect)


Probably the best deal would be a split. China takes Iran and the U.S. takes Iraq. Welcome to geopolitics.


I think we'll just have to stay tuned.
Reply:It doesn't exactly tie our hands, but if we can't put together a sizable coalition of the willing on this issue you can expect an American city (possibly several and some others around the world too) to get nuked sometime in the next 10 years.





Of course the damned liberals have been making noises like "We're the terrorists and we have nukes, why shouldn't Iran have them too?" DUH!
Reply:Untie those hands...DO NOT BUY ALL THE C R A P made in china.....
Reply:China and Russia tried to negotiate with them already and left frustrated. Iran didn't play ball with them either so they are back on the UN's side.
Reply:Russia has repeatedly urged Iran to stop enriching uranium. Russis said it "regrets" Iran's decision not to halt uranium enrichment by the deadline. Some time ago Russia offered to sell Iran its enriched uranium to use in the power plant and has offered to help Iran construct a "light water" facility. Instead Iran opted to construct a "heavy water" facility which was recently opened at Arak. The underground research facility at Natanz





Mohammad Nabi Rudaki stated that 164 centrifuge sets are now enriching uranium up to 4.5 percent grade to provide nuclear fuel for industrial and power plant needs and that Iran will soon enrich uranium to the grade of 9 percent in 3000 centrifuge sets.





China has far more trade with the US than with Iran and although it competes with the US for oil, it receives roughly one quarter of OPEC oil.





If the Islamic leaders were a little less apocalyptic, perhaps a diplomatic solution might be found. Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei wants to be the Shiite Caliph from Iran through Iraq to Lebanon. He needs to shift the balance of power in his favor.





The UN Security Council has reviewed the report from the Director General of the IAEA regarding whether Iran has established full and sustained suspension of all uranium enrichment and research activities. However, the UNSC will wait to consider possible actions until after the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, meets with Ali Larijani, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, sometime in the middle of next week to seek a negotiated solution to the standoff over Tehran's refusal to freeze uranium enrichment.





The UNSC may take measures under Article 41 of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations to persuade Iran to comply with Resolution 1696 and the requirements of the IAEA. The UNSC will use diplomatic and economic sanctions including a ban on missile and nuclear technology to Tehran; international refusal to grant entry visas to those involved in Iran’s nuclear program and a freeze of their assets as well as a ban on investment in the country. Don't count on Russia and China to block that sanction vote. But if they do, there are other alternatives





U.S. Central Command is updating a target list for Iran. Retired Gen. McInerney advocates using B-2 stealth bombers, cruise missiles and jet fighters to conduct a one- or two-day bombing campaign to take out Iran's air defenses, military facilities and about 40 nuclear targets, which includes a Russian-built reactor and an enrichment plant at Bushehr. Israel has drafted plans for air strikes using long-range versions of the F-15 and F-16 fighters.





On August 22 Ali Larijani, hand delivered Iran's 21-page response to UNSC 1696 the package of incentives to dissuage Iran from uranium enrichment. Iran's top nuclear negotiator said that Tehran was ready to enter "serious negotiations" over its disputed nuclear program but did not say that it was willing to suspend uranium enrichment — the West's key demand. The West is still offering many economic incentives.





On August 19, Iran launched a large-scale area, sea and ground exercise he maneuver, the Blow of Zolfaghar (the sword used by Imam Ali), which involved 12 divisions, army Chinook helicopters, unmanned planes, parachutists, electronic war units and special forces. Iran's state-run television reported that the new anti-aircraft system was tested "to make Iranian air space unsafe for our enemies."





On Sunday, August 20, in the Kashan desert about 250 kilometers southeast of the capital of Tehran, Iran tested the Saegheh missile which has a range of between 80 to 250 kilometers. Saegheh means lightning in Farsi. (The language of Iran is not Arabic and Iranians are not Arabs.)


Iran's arsenal also contains the Shahab-3 missile, which means "shooting star" in Farsi, and is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. It has a range of more than 2,000 kilometers and can reach Israel and US forces in the Middle East.





Iran's military test-fired a series of missiles during large-scale war games in the Persian Gulf in March and April, including a missile it claimed was not detectable by radar that can use multiple warheads to hit several targets simultaneously.





On August 23, 2006 an article about Iran's reply to the incentives proposal, that was posted on the Iranian Foreign Ministry-affiliated website , implied that Iran's nuclear technology had already reached the point of no return: "...





The following are excerpts from the Al-Borz report:





"It is expected that the first anniversary of the forming of the ninth government will be the date of the Ahmadinejad government's 'nuclear birth.'





"... Together with [the celebration of] the anniversary of the forming of the ninth cabinet, the president of the country [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] will hold his third press conference... where he will answer questions from journalists from Iran and from abroad.





"In addition to detailing the activities of the government at the end of [its first] year, the head of the government [i.e. Ahmadinejad] will officially present Iran's positions on: economic and cultural matters, the nuclear dossier, the activities of nuclear research centers, and developments in the region."





Iran has been persistent to deter IAEA inspectors on certain properties which had been agreed to under the NPT (nuclear non-proliferation treaty.)





Ali Soltanieh, Iran's permanent representative to the IAEA, denied that Iran had refused UN inspectors' access to its underground nuclear facilities at Natanz in central Iran. Iran needs to enrich uranium as a peaceful, alternative energy source and has the right to do so under the NPT, according to Iranian officials. They have told the IAEA that the traces of enriched uranium came from equipment purchased from another country, which was already contaminated.





Iran does not allow for remote monitoring of the PFEP (Pilot Feul Enrichment Plant). Or monitoring of the PHRC (Physics Research Center). Or monitoring of the P-1 and P-2 centrifuges which it purchased from Pakistan.
Reply:The world is AGAINST imperialism... get over it.





USA is up the a.rse of Israel which has WMDs... so????
Reply:Actually this is the US that has given so much importance to Russia and China's decision and is giving a misleading self-image to them.If they veto a serious decision of the UN Security Council against mullahs of Iran the whole world will understand who are the main supporters of barbarism and terrorism. I think US should wait no more to be played by Russia and China who want to elongate the precious time needed by mullahs to complete their nuclear arsenal.


It is quite clear that after mullahs make the bomb and start blackmailing US ( or even use the bomb by their terrorists on a small scale in the US ( a small city for example ) Russia and China do not care. The US should stop begging those b.as.tards for new useless resolutions and attack Iran before it is too late.
Reply:its going to tie the United States hands yes.....but not Bush's.
Reply:Who cares!? The U.S. always has and always will have to stand alone and do what is right for America. If that means knocking out Iran's nuclear capabilities alone, so be it. Are you willing to wait until they fire nuclear weapons at us? Iran took U.S./American hostages from our embassy back in 1979. They have backed all the major terrorist groups from Abu Nidal, PLO, Al-Queda, Hammas, to Hezbollah. Their President WANTS a war with Israel and/or the U.S. At what point do you get into a fight with your enemy? Do you wait until they have the same advantages as you or do you fight them when/while you can overwhelm them with superior force? Because that's what a war is you know......Whomever the U.S. has to terminate is fine with me in so long as they do it soon and completely.





(Maybe after the U.S. colonizes these new U.S. territories oil prices will go down!)
Reply:Not really...


Neither Russian nor China are about to go to war over Iran...
Reply:The arrogance of America and its people never ceases to amaze me. Get over yourselves already. Can't you see that the whole world except israel hates you.
Reply:Chinese trade with one California county exceeds that of Iran. China will have to decide if it wants oil or the US market. We know which it will choose because they know they will still get the oil even if it goes the way the US wants.





The Russian equipment blows up just as easily now as it has in the past. Russia is not a concern; they won't get in the way.
Reply:Where would China sell all that cheap sh!t if not Walmart?
Reply:IMO the US can use diplomacy to bring the PRC and Russia in line. With China the US can use it's trade leverage behind the scenes, and reassure the Chinese on their oil supply. If there was US backing for a potential Fort McMurray to Prince Rupert pipeline that would be helpful, as well as assuring the Chinese that they would get their share of Alaskan oil. There are about 200 million Muslims in China, so they fear potential Islamic fundamentalism even more than the west does. That's always going to limit how friendly China gets with Iran.





With Russia it may be a little more difficult, but in the end Putin values his relations with the US more than he does with Iran. After all, Russia is an oil exporting nation so Iran is a competitor and higher oil prices don't hurt Russia.

fruit baskets